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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.
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How to list a new nomination
For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.
Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.
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|article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)
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{{subst:NewDYKnom
| article = Example
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| hook = ... that this [[article]] is an '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''?
| author = User
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| image = Example.png
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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on March 16
Martyrs' Lane
Bracken, Texas
Art Pavilion in Zagreb
- ... that the building of the Art Pavilion gallery was originally built for an exhibition in Budapest and then transported to Zagreb where it was re-built in 1898?
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- Comment: Expanded from 602 characters to around 3,300
5x expanded by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 06:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Carlos Alonso
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Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1eetalk 06:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Otumba de Gómez Farías
- ... that the town of Otumba, Mexico has an annual Donkey Fair where the animals feature in fashion shows and costume contests? 5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Tyler Seguin
Fedexia
Eoplectreurys
Gowardia
- ... that Gowardia, a lichen found in arctic and alpine tundra on both sides of the world, is named after the lichenologist Trevor Goward? Created by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Israeli naval campaign in Operation Yoav
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Looks good. Changed the hook a bit to match the article; I hope you don't mind. NW (Talk) 03:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Noah Marullo
Articles created/expanded on March 15
Green Lantern (film)
Alkali Lake Chemical Waste Dump
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- Moved to mainspace on March 15. tedder (talk) 02:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Thirty pieces of silver
America is in the Heart
Frankish Papacy
Sitting in the Midday Sun
New article, self-nom. Please feel free to contact me if there are any problems, or if it gets promoted to the prep areas. Thanks in advance to whomever reviews it, - I.M.S. (talk) 23:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Two queries: The article says it is estimated that this was the first song recorded at Konk Studios, not that it was, which is what the hook says; the body of the article says it was recorded at Konk Studios "around June 8", whereas the infobox says it was recorded "May 1973 at Morgan Studios". --Bruce1eetalk 06:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Walter Lappert
- ... that Walter Lappert started an ice cream company at age 61, and on Kauai, with a population of only 40,000 people, he sold out his first batch of 17,000 liters in just two weeks in 1983? Created by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Tambouras
... that the Tambouras, a Greek traditional string instrument of the lute family and ancestor of the bouzouki, features moveable frets? - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- As it will appear exotic and interesting to many readers, I would simply state something about the instrument itself. - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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I like ALT1, or I see potential for an April Fools Day Tamboura/Tambouras hook. However, the article must have inline citations for DYK; it currently has none. cmadler (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Fixed? I have added inline citations to support at least all the facts given in ALT1. Chzz â–º 00:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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Yes, I was going to point our the inline citation problem as well. The article looks great now (hook fact is sourced). - I.M.S. (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
David Holman
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- I'm open to any hook changes. -- Banjeboi 22:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
1882-83 West Bromwich Albion F.C. season
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Confirmed length, article creation, hook length. AGF for offline source. Good hook! cmadler (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Allan Walters
Toxotes chatareus
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- Comment: Image probably needs to be cropped to remove the watermark, but I'm not sure how to do that. Intelligentsium 00:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, and refs are good. I'd change the hook to say what this animal is, in case it doesn't get a picture:
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- I also think that as cool as their fecundity is, spitting water at their prey is way cooler. How about a hook like:
- ... that the seven spotted archerfish can hunt terrestrial insects by spitting a stream of water at them to knock them into the water, even when they are up to 1.5 meters away?
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- Millifolium (talk) 06:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Example
Lango Sinkamba
Causes of the May Revolution
Dmitry Gennadiyevich Medvedev
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- Comment: Perhaps this could be considered for April fools DYK?
Created by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Support:This article is extremely interesting and by Aprils fools day it will be too late (unless you want to expand it 5x)Venustas 12 (talk) 17:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Comment: The 5 day rule does not apply to April fools - its a 365 day rule.. Victuallers (talk) 09:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Mohini
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- I prefer the wooden sculpture. But if nudity is an issue, I suggest the other one. Though the latter image is not used in the article, an image showing the whole sculpture is used, but that one does not look good in 100X100 px. --Redtigerxyz Talk 14:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Sixteenth government of Israel
Carlbury
William Hutcheon Hall
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Sebacina
- !that the fungal genus Sebacina (S. concrescence pictured) includes species that can encrust the stem bases of living plants? Created by RunningClam (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 06:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Viterbo Papacy
Hungargunn Bear It'n Mind
Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone
Articles created/expanded on March 14
Cécile DeWitt-Morette
Tour de Nesle Affair
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Interesting new article, date and length OK. I have a few concerns, however. First, it'd be preferable that both facts mentioned in the hook (that the princesses were imprisoned and that their lovers were executed) occur in the same sentence or at least in the same paragraph within the article. Second, I am somewhat confused about the facts as explained in the article, especially in relation to the hook. The article says that Blanche and Margaret were imprisoned as a result of the trials but that Joan was acquitted (whereas the hook says that Blanche and Joan were imprisoned). Also, the article is unclear on the scandal in relation to Margaret. Section Tour de Nesle Affair#The scandal mentions accusations in relation to Joan and Blanche (and mentions the names of their alleged lovers) but does not say anything about accusations against Margaret. So why was Margaret tried and convicted then? And with whom was she accused of having an affair? If Joan was acquitted, was her alleged lover really executed, as the hook says? I'd like the text of the article to expressly clarify these points. Nsk92 (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Old Hall Hotel, Buxton
Weekend Wogan
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Kevin Reilly (Louisiana politician)
Oryzomys nelsoni
Euryoryzomys emmonsae
Al-Kahf Castle
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Date, length, and hook verified,; while AGF for offline references Calmer Waters 04:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
John Erskine Clarke
Leith Hall
Christopher Bruun
The Rosales Saga, Tree (novel), The Pretenders (novel), Mass (novel)
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- Comment: Quadrupled hook nominations
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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- If this image is used, its alt text needs to be improved to meet the guidelines at WP:ALT. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The Power of Madonna
Hello (Glee)
Karl Ludwig Giesecke
Siege of Wesenberg (1574)
- ... that German and Scottish mercenaries, sent by Sweden to retaliate the roasting of a Swedish commander by Russian forces, killed each other instead in the Siege of Wesenberg (1574)? Created by Skí¤pperí¶d (talk). Nominated by Skí¤pperí¶d (talk) at 15:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Taklung Monastery and Riwoche Monastery
Thistle, Utah
Note: One of the key sources for this hook is currently down. Google's cached version [1] can confirm the hook in the interim.Dave (talk) 08:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Site is back up.Dave (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Acute exacerbations of chronic bronchitis
German submarine U-78 (1940)
Ida Sammis
- ... that according to legend, New York Assemblywoman Ida Sammis' first act in the legislature was to polish the brass spittoon assigned to her, and to place it on her desk as a flower vase? Created by FloNight (talk). Self nom at 03:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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Length and article creation check out. With the addition of "according to legend", the hook is good. cmadler (talk) 15:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Araneagryllus
Articles created/expanded on March 13
John Ricord
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- Comment: moved to main space March 13 after developing in user space for a few days
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 00:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Treaty of Seringapatam, Third Anglo-Mysore War
- Note Treaty of Seringapatam is new; Third Anglo-Mysore War is 5x expansion. Magic♪piano 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Neville Bertie-Clay
Drs. Foster & Smith
- ... that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, initially refused to spend any money on internet advertising, despite launching its online operations the same year as Pets.com?
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- Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace over a period of time & moved into mainspace today
Created by ThaddeusB (talk), DFSBrent (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- I am considering trying to bring this article up to GA status in the future. As such, if the reviewer is willing to assess the article and/or provide constructive criticism I would much appreciate it. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Into Temptation (film)
Erioderma pedicellatum
Bridge of Flowers (bridge)
- ... that the Bridge of Flowers, originally built as a trolley bridge, was covered in plants after plans for demolition or reuse of the bridge were discouraged due to cost and the use of the bridge as the carrier of a water pipe? Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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This is really interesting, and meets the length and article creation requirements. Unfortunately, this article is sourced entirely to the Bridge of Flowers website, which is not a reliable secondary source. Please improve the article sourcing and then this can be used. cmadler (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed. I found one sight but it triggered the spam filter, but another one was solid. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Bamba Sutherland
- ... that Princess Bamba, the last of the family who ruled the Sikh Empire, was said to have "lived like an alien in her father's kingdom"? Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Colorado State Highway 35
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Date checks out. The problem is that the DYK checker comes up 696 characters of prose (lists and tables don't count), far short of the 2000 characters minimum. You have several days to expand the new article. Royalbroil 22:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Correction: the DYK requirement is 1500 characters of prose, not 2000. But 696 is too short either way. cmadler (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Boekenweek
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- Comment: The subject is also of interest because the event is currently being held till March 20, 2010.
Created by Simeon (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Viajero
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- This image is also used in a nomination higher up; it should only be used once. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
2001 Angola train attack
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Antonio Alice
Flader J55
Twice Blessed
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Chenowth Advanced Light Strike Vehicle
Agrimonia gryposepala
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Why "but"? Many species in Rosaceae are woodland trees (eg those in Sorbus; Prunus etc). Ericoides (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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Ron Gomez
State of War (novel)
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Checks out, but where does a source say the author is "award winning"? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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Need third opinion here - I am not happy with most references, some statements (State of War was also called as "one of the finest novels of 1988" - by whom? is enotes.com respectable?) and maybe even notability of this novel (most Google hits are from book publishers, who would obviously promote a book they print). Materialscientist (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
On a quick glance, the sources linked at Questia and Goliath seem legitimate, though the citations in the article need to be fixed (for example, Questia is a link for a "[j]ournal article by Rocío G. Davis; World Literature Today, Vol. 73, 1999", and the citation in the article needs to reflect that; likewise for the article at Goliath). The Enotes, DirectEssays, and Amazon links should be removed as citations entirely, which leaves us without a citation for the hooked fact. Like you, I'm dubious about the notability of this novel. cmadler (talk) 14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 12
Wemotaci, Quebec
Stefan Meyer (physicist)
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Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 21:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- I still would like to have a better hook, but I can not come up with a synthesis of the facts presented in the two hooks written by myself.--Stone (talk) 21:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
London Country North East
- ... that bus company London Country North East lost over £5 million in less than two years of existence before it was split up in 1989? Created by Alzarian16 (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Confederate war finance

Add alt-text!
Add rollover text!
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- ALT1:... that one of the ways that the Confederacy financed their military effort during the American Civil War was by issuing money which paid interest?
- Comment: Maybe "92 times over" should be replaced by "by 9200%". Alt image for first hook could be the Confederate money (after "printing money" in the hook). An image for the alt hook could be the Confederate dollar stamped to indicate that interest had been paid. Other hooks can be generated from the article.
Created by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 12:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Comment: I say add the image with the two notes. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Exidia glandulosa
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Date, length, and refs are good. Great picture! Millifolium (talk) 06:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Stavraton
Piercebridge, Piercebridge Roman Fort
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5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 10:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Update: In response to someone kindly installing the DYK length-check gadget for me a few hours ago, I have now checked and corrected the length of Piercebridge Roman Fort, so that both the above noms are now at sufficient 5x expanded length.--Storye book (talk) 11:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit
Villiers High School
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- Hey, all you nice and smart folks at DYK, help me out here. I'm inclined to remove the entire "and some of them..." phrase--it's not very elegant, and the hook becomes nice and short. But what I'm concerned with is that the resulting hook may sound--callous? judgmental? when in reality the school seems to be doing pretty good. Your suggestions are appreciated. All you hookwriters and -editors: Materialscientist? Dravecky? Ucucha? Or the God of DYK, Alansohn? Drmies (talk) 21:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The God Stealer
Piercebridge
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Citadel of Damascus
- ... that the Citadel of Damascus (pictured) in Syria is unusual in that it was built on flat ground, at the same level of the rest of the city of Damascus, instead of being placed on the top of a hill? 5x expanded by Zozo2kx (talk) and Zoeperkoe (talk). Self nom at 20:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Works for me. Yazan (talk) 16:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Jimmy Burns
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Piercebridge Roman Fort
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Paro Taktsang
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Grace Voss Frederick
- Comment: You could bold the 2nd link too, if you like - it's also new, but is only 1000Kb so not a double. Chzz â–º 14:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Roystonea palaea
Palaeoraphe
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- "its suggested" should be "it's suggested", or even better "it has been suggested". Reyk YO! 09:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Changed to "it has been suggested".--Kevmin (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Leslie Barrett
- The theatre was the American Mime Theatre if anyone wants to try for a double hook. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 05:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 11
March 2010 Chile earthquake
- Will expand. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk)
Nie Fengzhi
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Woman with seven sons
Park Ship , SS Avondale Park
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Lots of problems. Article prose (which excludes tables) is only 1073 bytes long; the required minimum is 1500. The hook does not actually appear in the source; it just says "This was the last attack carried out by a U-boat during World War II." The source itself is not reliable. It is a tertiary source written by non-experts. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the comments - article has been improved.Verne Equinox (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Article is now of sufficient size. The three online sources given for the hook are crap. The first two are unofficial databases which don't actually support the hook, and the third one is written by two random guys named Eddie who don't present any credentials indicating their expertise on the subject. The fourth source, however, looks legit; unfortunately, page 189 is omitted from the Google books preview. I'm going to assume good faith here. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, uboat.net and ubootwaffe.net are WP:RSs. Mjroots2 (talk) 02:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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- NOTE I've created the SS Avondale Park article, which I think is just long enough for DYK. Needs to be checked and verified and then we've got a double hook. Mjroots2 (talk) 08:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Christian Gerhaher
Fatmawati
William Little Lee
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Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 04:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Palace of Omurtag
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GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle
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There is nothing in the article which says that this is the first US Military vehicle to have non-lethal weapons. Do you have a source that says this is the first? Also, the hook should say "is planned to" instead of "will" as this vehicle is still five years away from prototype and there's no way to know what it may have in the end. New Hampshirite (talk) 01:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Room & Board
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All ok, though hook is difficult to parse. Ceoil sláinte 16:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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- And sorry it isn't very international. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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Sorry for being rude (just asking questions which will likely fall onto our heads later), but I don't understand the main hook, the alt hook, why this company is notable, and why this nom isn't a promotion of that company. Materialscientist (talk) 07:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hi, Materialscientist. Good question. I suppose it is promotion of a company. I rescued this article from deletion, and think if Wikipedia has an article about Pottery Barn (and other commercial entities) then we should have this one too. The hook was just a cool fact that I happened to find in The New York Times. I don't mind switching hooks or pulling this nomination if you'd like me to. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Bobby Deol
Prose expanded over ten times... ‡ Himalayan ‡ ΨMonastery 15:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
SMS Wí¶rth
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Verified, not sure why you didn't add an image though, this would make an acceptable lead. Gatoclass (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Well, the only image of the ship is this one, which isn't all that great. Feel free to use it if you want though.
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- Parsecboy (talk) 16:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The image isn't brilliant, but it's acceptable. We have featured a lot worse. Gatoclass (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- ... that Marilyn Monroe, Vincent van Gogh, Jack the Ripper, Sarah Palin, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII of England and three of his wives, Albert Einstein, Frédéric Chopin, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Nikola Tesla, Marcel Proust, Attila the Hun, Brigitte Bardot, Saint Francis of Assisi and Joan of Arc are just some of the many historical people who have appeared as characters in opera? Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 11:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Several problems: List of historical opera characters does not appear anywhere in the hook; the hook is too long; the article has no inline citations; the article has under 900 characters of prose (even though DYKcheck says 29195). --Bruce1eetalk 12:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Chee Kung Tong Society Building
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- What does "once mentioned" mean in this context? Does "delineated" mean "signified"?--Wetman (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Nothing personal, but did you even look at the picture or click the link? That aside, upon reading it again, it does sound abit clunky. Hmmmm.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 18:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Knut Kleve
- ... that Knut Kleve is known for his restoration of papyrus fragments? 5x expanded by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Thanks for evaluating the hook, and suggesting a revised alternative. I like your suggestion, and either hook is fine with me. Oceanh (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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5x expanded by FT2 (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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(Note: ALT2 critically states it was a salute compared to ALT1. But it's 8 characters over when rendered. Any scope to trim it? - FT2)
- I like the idea of ALT2 better, it invokes a nice image. But it seems grammatically backwards. Maybe ALT3: "... that after receiving the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant from a group of condemned, Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" BTW, great work on the article! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Yes, better. Two minor problems. It's the only time the salute was given, not just by condemned men, and they did not respond to it, but to Claudius' first response. Another synthesis:
- ALT5: "... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by the fighters performance that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?"
- 200 chars rendered, including the "..." and the "?". --Stephan Schulz (talk) 10:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Closing in on it I think. It wasn't their "performance" but their response to his reply, which is awkward to express. Try ALT6 which might fix it:
- "... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset at their wish to avoid battle that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?"
- I'd like to make "fighters saluted" into "that fighters saluted", or "fighters saluted with", but its 2 chars over. Note though the extra space ("...<spc>that")
- What's a nice single word for "wish to avoid battle"? FT2 (Talk | email) 11:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hmmm. We can lose the "Roman" - emperor Claudius is enough. That gives us 6 chars to play with. "wish to avoid battle" could go into "lack of fighting spirit" or "lack of fighting". "Fighting" is better than "battle", as it's not a real battle, I think. I also think the original "pleading with" procured a more vivid image for me. But what about:
- "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the battle was so lackluster that emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?" Short enough that we can even squeeze in "Roman again". Or go with "the performance" instead of "the battle", i.e.:
- ALT7: "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the performance was so lackluster that Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"--Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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- (Just noticed the original page was wrongly titled as well as incorrect, hence page moved from "Ave Caesar..." to the original source text's "Ave Imperator...") FT2 (Talk | email) 02:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- New problem: I like both new suggestions equally and cannot decide which to prefer ;-). Very good! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- "Had to run" might carry a certain hook that "ran" doesn't, and "was so upset [...] refusal to kill" does too. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Can some third party please do the verification? Everything looks good to me now... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on March 10
Alyssa Healy
- Many othe rimaged are available. Expansion YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 01:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Date, 5x expansion, image and hook citation all check out.--Storye book (talk) 08:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- NB Please could someone give a second opinion on the nomination date, because it's close to the limit? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 08:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Acceptable for individual cases, but not as a regular practice. Materialscientist (talk) 10:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Balata al-Balad
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Length, 5x expansion, hook citation all check out. Removed stub template due to expansion. cmadler (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Drosera falconeri
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Date, length, hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Nathan Scott (composer)
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Date, length and hook check out.--Storye book (talk) 16:47, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Laura Spurr
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Date, length and hook check out. Suggestion: if you combine all those little paragraphs into a few bigger paras, then more sentences could use the word "she" instead of "Spurr", to make the article read as a cohesive whole.--Storye book (talk) 16:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Purbuchok Hermitage and Sera Utsé Hermitage
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Not a valid double DYK nom, because second article Sera Utsé Hermitage is not a 5x expansion. Date, length and hook-citation check out for first article Purbuchok Hermitage. Consider a single nom with a new hook?--Storye book (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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By the look of it, I think you're probably right, and I was wrong. Unfortunately I am unable to use the length-check gadget on my computer, so this needs a second opinion.--Storye book (talk) 17:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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OK now. Thanks for backup, Cmadler.--Storye book (talk) 08:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Fleas (The Good Wife)
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Date and length OK. The large Plot section has no citations.--Storye book (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- As per WP:MOSTV: "Plot summaries do not normally require citations; the television show itself is the source, as the accuracy of the plot description can be verified by watching the episode in question." - Hunter Kahn 17:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Jimmy Sexton
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- Corrected tense: lead -> led. Here and in the article. Jujutacular T · C 22:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ah yes, my mistake. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
John Wright (Gunpowder Plot)
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- Comment: a recovery from a copyvio - looks like 5x?
5x expanded by Shanemannion (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 19:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Can you add the page number in the Fraser book which sources the hook?radek (talk) 11:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC) -I'm sure author has page number (it went in last few changes of ref style), but I've added a brittania ref for now. Thanks for the check. Hope its ok now Victuallers (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Yup.radek (talk) 04:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Hitler Youth Quex
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- Corrected: transport --> transmit. Thanks Skí¤pperí¶d (talk) 05:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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Date and length check out. No online citation for hook, although offline refs given.--Storye book (talk) 16:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- That would be fine. Please could you repeat the hook in the article header, with online citation using this same link? Please let me know on my talk page when you've done it, so I can update the review.--Storye book (talk) 17:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Edith Craig
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Nominated by Jack1956 (talk) at 07:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Date and length check out for all three articles. No specific online ref for either hook (although offline refs are given) . . . or have I missed it somewhere? Alt 1 would be a neat triple nom if you could include the Alt 1 hook in the header of each article, with an online citation, to make it easily verifiable. The online citation given for Alt 1 does not mention all three women.--Storye book (talk) 15:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Done Let's go with the Alt as a triple hook...I've worked hard on them. Jack1956 (talk) 16:14, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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*Alt 1 triple nom is now OK. Hook checks out with online citation in header of all three articles. Glad your hard work paid off.--Storye book (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
R v Burgess
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- Article lacks inline citations.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Canigou Cambrai
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- Many of the sources in the article seem somewhat questionable as far as their reliability is concerned. The fact in the hook, for example, is from pubquizhelp.com.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Swapped out the reference with an alternative, however it's in Icelandic. For some reason Crufts don't seem to host a simple list of winners on their website. Miyagawa (talk) 12:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Frank T. Johns
- ... that Frank T. Johns, Presidential nominee of the Socialist Labor Party, died trying to rescue a drowning boy following his first speech of the 1928 campaign? 5x expanded by Carrite (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The hook doesn't mention what country it is talking about. I'm also a little concerned that the article is mostly based on the guy's own party's convention minutes.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
San Bartolo Coyotepec
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- It might be a good idea to write a "married Roman Catholic priest" since this wouldn't be unusual for other religions.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Mexico ought to be linked too, and consider linking "married Roman Catholic priest" to clerical marriage. Todor→Bozhinov 14:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- It is questionable if he is a Roman Catholic priest since the Church no longer recognizes him as such.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Charles Abbott, 1st Baron Tenterden
- ... that the last words of the British judge Lord Tenterden were "and now, gentlemen of the jury, you will consider of your verdict"? Ironholds (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- umm ODNB says, 'Gentlemen of the Jury, you are discharged' Victuallers (talk) 19:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- All of the other sources say "you will consider your verdict". Ironholds (talk) 20:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Underwater Archaeology Branch, Naval History & Heritage Command
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- The article is almost completely based on a Navy website and not on secondary sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The page has been updated with 7 separate outside sources including four published sources. Leachers1987 (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Need one citation per paragraph. A number of paragraphs are lacking one.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Leachers1987 has been adding them. OK now? - ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Birmingham Charity Cup
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It went from 379 bytes to just over 2000, so it's a 5x expansion. I didn't review the hook though. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Thanks Wizardman for putting me right - I didn't have the DYK length-check gadget, but someone has kindly installed it for me a few hours ago - so now I have no excuse! ChrisTheDude, please could you supply a verifiable online citation for your hook? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 08:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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- No, I can't, but, unless the rules have changed very recently, that is not a requirement. I've seen plenty of DYK noms marked as OK with the comment "AGF on offline reference" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Just checked the rules at WP:DYK and it only says "The "Did you know?" fact must be mentioned in the article and cited with an inline citation since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article" - nowhere does it say that the citation must be to an online source. My citation to a book is therefore prefectly valid -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:34, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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Ashton National F.C.
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- The article has unreferenced parts and is marked as a stub.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Have added extra references, in particular moving the external link to inline citations and removed the stub mark.8lgm (talk) 12:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Date, length and hook check out - but can you provide a ref or refs for the second half of the Players section, i.e. the list of players?--Storye book (talk) 15:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Done. 8lgm (talk) 08:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
John Evan Thomas (1810 - 1873)
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- I've just realised it's not a 5x expansion, so please accept the nomination as creation by User:Victorianaesthete on 9 March - that one is still valid.--Storye book (talk) 09:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Binding selectivity
- The hook needs to contain a wikilink to the article. Stonemason89 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done Calmer Waters 17:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- "is of major importance" is kind of vague. Also, there are unreferenced paragraphs in the article.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Both of these observations arise out of the fact that this article presents an over-view of a very broad topic. Each section has a general reference. References are not given for topics covered in detail in the {{main}} links. Petergans (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Iowa Soldiers' Orphans' Home
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- I'm trying to clear up some potential copyright issues, but this article should be back ready within a few days. CTJF83 chat 04:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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Prose too short (unless you come back with a re-write of deleted prose).--Storye book (talk) 15:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 9
Aiphanes minima
Colleen LaRose
Nancy Nathanson
Bad (Michael Jackson song)
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Not quite a 5x expansion yet. The article had 3337 characters of readable prose on 25 February and now has 10927 characters, a 3.27x expansion. You'll need to expand to at least 16685 characters before it's eligible. -- BigDom 22:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I've just added an expansion on the article, does my recent editions to the article consist of a 5x expansion now? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 02:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I don't really see what's unusual about this fact. Couldn't something more interesting be found.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948)
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Currently up for AfD. I've expressed my opinion there. Gatoclass (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- You sure did. You called Robert Kennedy writings "rant", and have chosen to ignore at least three reliable sources for the hooks only. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Currently uncertain whether this one will survive the AfD or not, but numerous editors have expressed concerns about the article's lack of neutrality including myself, and I don't see the problems being resolved quickly. Therefore I am opposing promotion of this one, regardless of whether it survives the AfD or not. Gatoclass (talk) 05:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Bikini Barista
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- Comment: "Mixing up" as in "confusing" and therefore a comment on their intellectual abilities or just "mixing"?! "Making" is probably better. - ukexpat (talk) 17:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Haha. There are anecdotes in the news coverage about the coffee not being the best at some places, but yes, I agree that "making" would be better.--Milowent (talk) 20:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Unless you hold this for April Fool's Day (where I think it would fit nicely), in which case the first phrasing is more fun.--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Moved article from "Bikini Barista" to "Bikini barista", and changed capitalization in the hook proposal. I like the idea of using this on 4/1. cmadler (talk) 13:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- 4-1 is fine by me! And thanks for fixing the capitalization.--Milowent (talk) 13:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
British Hero of the Holocaust
... that at 100 years old, Sir Nicholas Winton was named a British Hero of the Holocaust, an award otherwise given as a posthumous recognition of British Holocaust rescuers? Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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The hook is not quite accurate in claiming "otherwise given"; what about "Denis Avey aged 91" as cited in the lede? Ericoides (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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for cut down hook Victuallers (talk) 19:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I can't think of anything better given Ericoides' observation, but the original idea of the hook was to point out the fact it was mostly posthumous contrasting it with his age, so if anyone has a short way of making it more accurate...., otherwise, I guess its the shorter one suggested by Victuallers.... MickMacNee (talk) 22:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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Lars Aspeflaten
What Is a Man Without a Moustache?
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SongMeanings
Captain Bill McDonald
- ALT:... that Captain Bill McDonald of the Texas Rangers, as a youth during the Reconstruction era in Texas, was tried and acquitted of treason?
Solar Turbines
Point Lonsdale Lighthouse
May Day Eve
- I am not sure about this, but I have also bolded the "married" part linked to Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines. I am reverting/cancelling my withdrawal of the nom for Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines on March 4, 2010. But I originally nominated/suggested it on 28, 2010 (See history here) If not, you may debold it, as you wish. But I hope this will be reconsidered. Thank you. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Since the problems, which kept the marriage article from being accepted in the frist place still persist, I do think it should be de-bolded.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 8
Henri Salmide
- ... that Heinz Stahlschmidt was credited with saving 3,500 French lives when he refused to blow up the port of Bordeaux and instead blew up the munitions bunker, killing approximately 50 Germans? Created by Hamleteer (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 01:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Sven Moren, Noregs Ungdomslag
Falkuša
List of National Historic Landmarks in Missouri
Laryngeal cleft
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- I've moved this to the right date of creation, as I had duplicated it not seeing it nominated above.--BelovedFreak 17:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Wheeler's Surprise, Muttawmp, Matoonas, Edward Hutchinson (captain), Thomas Wheeler
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Created by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 10:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Actually the hook is around 260 characters, without the wiki markup. GregorB (talk) 22:49, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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- ...and making it shorter will be really difficult, since there are five articles in it. What about splitting it into two DYK entries? GregorB (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Yes, see C3 here [3]. If you subtract off "Matoonas", "Muttawmp", "Edward Hutchinson", "Thomas Wheeler" and "(pictured)", per instructions in the link, it's shorter than 200 even with ol' Anne in there. And I'd like Anne to be in there to add extra info (a lot of people've heard of her. Many fewer know about her son). But it's not a sticking point, so I'll leave the choice between the original and ALT1 to someone else.radek (talk) 03:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Date, length are fine, possible lead, but we can't feature this image because of its unclear copyright status. Materialscientist (talk) 06:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Pyridoxamine
Bulgarian Social Democratic Workers Party (Broad Socialists)
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Date and length check up, was unable to check p. 406 of Linden though, not available in Google Books, so AGF. I'm suggesting an alt that I find interesting :) Todor→Bozhinov 15:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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Pretty Baby....
- Comment: Although this is new, I've listed it as an expansion, since part of the reception section was lifted from Dot Branning. However, User:Frickative calculated the exact amount of expansion, which was apparently 12 words over a 5x expansion! anemoneprojectors talk 00:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- According to the cited source, it was "the first time in British soap history" that this was done. No claim is made regarding soaps in other countries. I've updated the article and the hook with this clarification. cmadler (talk) 13:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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Barro Negro pottery
Almost. Was at 1470 before expansion and current at 6221 characters of prose. Need 7350 to meet 5x. Calmer Waters 03:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- I should have it nowThelmadatter (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
HMS Queen Mary
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Ali Hakimi
Grace, Replaced
Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories
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- ALT: ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida chief commander Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"? Stonemason89 (talk) 15:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps we can even leave out the part that says he is a Christian from the hook. And please confirm that there are no BLP concerns with this hook. Ucucha 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
1968 in the Vietnam War
*ALT1 ... the week of February 11-17, during 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most 543 Americans killed in action, and 2547 were wounded.
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- The hook is about the Americans but the article is about the Vietnam War i.e. there were Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war too not just Americans. -- Esemono (talk) 01:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- ALT3... that 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most deaths (pictured) of the entire war? Ericoides (talk) 16:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- ALT4 ... that 1968 in the Vietnam War was the deadliest year in the war for America and its Vietnamese allies? Ericoides (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds fine but I like my original and ALT2 hook better -- Esemono (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough, they are ungrammatical and don't make much sense; I'll let someone else take over. Ericoides (talk) 13:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think the problem is that 1968 in the Vietnam War does not really work as part of a full sentence. Can we pipe the link?
- ALT5 ... that 1968 was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States and its Vietnamese allies? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
German U-boat Bases in Norway
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- Fixed a couple of typos, suggesting adding "occupied" in front of "Norway". 88.90.88.107 (talk) 05:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Uboat.net is a reliable source in my opinion. It often corroborates other reliable sources such as ubootwaffe. Mjroots (talk) 22:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- It certainly seems to be widely used as a source in fairly well-reviewed articles; see, eg, SM U-66. I don't offhand know of a discussion on its appropriateness, but I believe there has been one at some point. Shimgray | talk | 22:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes yes it is reliable. Ed 17 has also told me and others that it is safe to use a a source. Trust me, Uboat.net is fine. Several other DYK's of mine alos had Uboat.net as a source as well. Nothing to worry about IMHO.--Coldplay Expért Let's talk 00:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- This page may be of some use for the above discussion. I've been through and done some extensive copy-editing and re-writing on the article. Nick Ottery (talk) 09:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds good. All my concerns are allayed.--Carabinieri (talk) 03:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 7
Anna Fitziu
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- Article is substantially unsourced. DYK hook cited to unavailable New York Times article. -Juliancolton | Talk 01:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Article cleaned up and sourced. -- Esemono (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Oskélanéo, Quebec
- ... that the canoe route through Oskélanéo, Quebec, was once so popular that it prompted the construction of locks on the Oskelaneo River? 5x expanded by P199 (talk). Self nom at 19:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
World Junior Squash Championships
1922 Vallenar earthquake
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The only line that mentions deaths (and only from the tsunami) is not cited.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I've added a cite as requested, I've not been able to find any sources that quote numbers for deaths from the earthquake rather than the tsunami - the USGS summary page is all there is. Mikenorton (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Aryabhata's sine table
Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike
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Christopher O. Ward
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August 8-9, 1993, tornado outbreak
- ... that a tornado outbreak spawned an F0 tornado that killed 2 people on August 9, 1993? Created by Marcusmax (talk). Self nom at 16:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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Filipino cartoon and animation
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Very dubious hook: the only reliable-sourced statement I see in refs is "about 90 percent of American television cartoons are now produced in Asia" (CNN; maybe I missed some other?); I don't see where the second part comes from (Bill Dennis quote?). Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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- How about this hook, ALT 1: ... that most televised American cartoon animations are now developed in Asian countries such as the the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that most televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now Philippine-made because of the Filipinos' familiarity with Western humor? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't observe reliable support for the strong statement that most cartoons are produced in Philipines. The pdf above is hardly a reliable source. The ALT1 phrasing is too obscure, even if we replace "such as" with more appropriate "including". Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I now turn to you and perhaps better from others for suggestions. Other editors other than you may have a more positive look on this issue. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- I would be happy if you first reflected in the article the split up (even approximate) in cartoon production between the Asian countries, with reliable references (well, we don't need other Asian countries, but both CNN refs you provided so far talk about Asian countries, not Philipines in particular). This would allow developing a justified hook. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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It seems as you're trying to squeeze out refs that you had whereas I thought the breakthrough should come with new references. ALT5 is not relevant (calling Philipines Asia), ALT6 is too vague. ALT 3: refs says "first animation series" - doesn't sound same as "first cartoon" (individual one). Materialscientist (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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- ... that Clara Gregory Baer's 1895 rules for women's basketball referred to the jump shot, a shot not used in men's basketball until decades later? 5x expanded by Sphilbrick (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC) --SPhilbrickT 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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Jhalkaribai
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- I would like to see this article on Wikipedia Main Page on International Women's Day if possible. Shivashree (talk) 09:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for expansion (verified). We'll see what can we do on such short notice. Meanwhile, I have the following concerns: the article abruptly ends her life description on ".. and declared herself to be the queen Laxmibai" leaving us suspended in the most interesting moment, wondering what happened to her then? Also, when and how did she die? Some phrasing needs brushing up, though this is a more technical issue. Materialscientist (talk) 09:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I have added some information in the Life section. Shivashree (talk) 11:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- You've added a single sentence "Jhalkaribai lived long thereafter and died as a very old woman" which doesn't sound encyclopedic and doesn't solve the problem indicated above. Materialscientist (talk) 08:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- To say "the English army" (repeating the error in the article) would be misleading, as there was no English army at the time and even the British Army was not the main combatant on the "English" side. The later reference in the Jhalkaribai article to "the company army" (that is, an army of the East India Company) is sharper, but see Presidency armies. Moonraker2 (talk) 12:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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(alt) ... that Jhalkaribai fought with the East India Company army in disguise as Queen Laxmibai of Jhansi during the Indian Rebellion of 1857 to let the queen escape easily out of the fort? Shivashree (talk) 11:33, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have added a paragraph to the life section about her marriage and introduction to Queen Laxmibai. However, despite a long search, I could find no sources about her later life. Whatever I could find revolves around her fight with the tiger, her resemblance with the queen, and the incident of her disguise. It is obvious given that Jhalkaribai's story had never been a part of mainstream historiography. After her only contemporary reference by Vishnubhat Godse, we could find her first reference in Varma'a Jhansi ki Rani written almost after 100 years in 1951. Most of what is written about her in the last two decades has been written viewing her importance sociopolitical aspect rather than keeping an objective historical view. Even the history textbooks describe her story as "trivia" and complete it in one or two sentences (See this). I will try to find sources directly from someone who is acquainted to the subject. The life section of the article can be considered complete till we could find some reliable sources. Shivashree (talk) 03:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 6
Draft Ron Paul movement
Portrait of a Woman (Rogier van der Weyden)
- ... that while veils in the 1400s were usually worn to preserve modesty, the garment worn by the sitter in Rogier van der Weyden's c. 1460 painting Portrait of a Woman (pictured) is used to draw attention to her unusual beauty and sensuality? Ceoil (talk) at 23:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Wiswall
Ichabod Wiswall
List of Rhodesian and Zimbabwean football champions
Woman of the Year (Parks and Recreation)
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Holly Graf
- ... that Navy Captain Holly Graf was relieved of command for creating an environment of fear on her ship but that she admits swearing to "intentionally pressurize the situation"? Created by Ipromise (talk). Self nom at 04:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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Muriel Dickson
Fabian Joseph
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- Alternatively it could be mentioned that he was the last amatuer captain of the Men's Olympic ice hockey team for canada. But that might be a bit confusing for those not following hockey. Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Maligawila Buddha statue
- ... that the 7th century Maligawila Buddha statue, which was found broken into pieces in 1951, was repaired and re-erected in 1980? Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 12:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Temple of Bel
- ... that the Temple of Bel (pictured), dedicated in 32 AD, formed the center of religious life in Palmyra, Syria and is considered its "best preserved" ruin? 5x expanded by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 10:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
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A Puro Dolor
- Notes: The article was re-directed by PeaceNT to the Son By Four article. "A Puro Dolor" was created by Magiciandude under the title "Purest of Pain", which I re-directed to it's current title "A Puro Dolor" .Jaespinoza (talk) 10:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 5
Ladd & Co.
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- ALT1:=... that Ladd & Co. was behind the first commercial sugar plantation in Hawaii and failed international land deal?
- Comment: moved from user space March 5; picture optional of course since article is not about him but the company and its American founders
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 19:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Haqqi al-Azm
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Just shy of 1500 characters of prose. Otherwise, all good. -- P 1 9 9 - TALK 17:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- My count is that with the lead, it is just over 1500. I'll expand it more, though. Yazan (talk) 17:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Expanded, can verify? Yazan (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Hope (painting)
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Nice image, but the article is almost completely uncited. We ask for a minimum of one cite per paragraph. Gatoclass (talk) 15:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Article is now cleaned up. -- Esemono (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that after Egypt was defeated by Israel during the Six-Day War the Egyptian government issued copies of the Hope paintings to its troops?
A Portrait of the Artist as Filipino
Biggest Elvis: A Novel
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Unsure about about notability here. Most of the references seem to be snippets (for instance, the NPR one is a single sentence, and the NYT one that's cited 6 times is little more than a plot summary, and the one from the Kenyon College alumni bulletin is little more than a passing mention) or Amazon/B&N listings. This caught my eye because I've taken a class with Kluge before, and I always approach articles relating to people I know with an extra degree of skepticism... rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 05:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- Added these. See Pretenders to the King's Throne, and What happened on August 04, 1996 Los Angeles Times. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The Man (Who Thought) He Looked Like Robert Taylor
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- I think it's pretty clear from the article that this is what the novel is about but can you put a sentence that corresponds directly to the hook in the article (presumably in the lede) and source it? radek (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- The hook is based on reference number 2 (at the very end of that ref site); I quoted that already as seen in article ref section. - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed placement of ref mark too to show which belongs to what sentence. - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- The reference appears to be a newsgroup FAQ. I'm not sure that qualifies as a reliable source. Is there anything in the Ty source that good be used to source it?radek (talk) 09:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- This source might work [4] though I'm not 100% sure it's RS either.radek (talk) 09:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Or even better this [5], which is clearly a reliable source. Can you incorporate it into the article?radek (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Refs suggested works out. Thanks. Incorporated done also as requested. - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
, good to go.radek (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The article is based on references which IMO clearly fail WP:RS criteria. Materialscientist (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think the Ty source in the article is reliable but a lot of the inline citations are to stuff that may not be. I would suggest replacing as much of the lesson plan and usenet sources with Ty (which is actually available online here [6]) and the source I gave above. The introduction to Santos' own works, since its written by a someone else can also be used [7]. Or this one [8].radek (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Rob Bickhart
SMS Hela
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Dinopanorpidae, Dinokanaga, and Dinokanaga
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- Tweak again into triple nomination for the family and both genera in the family.--Kevmin (talk) 19:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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Pinki Pramanik
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- "A group of youths" doubtless intended.--Wetman (talk) 20:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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Psychonautics
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Rewritten / 5x expanded by FT2 (talk). See note. Self nom at 15:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- (Note: a prior article existed at Psychonaut where it was mostly WP:OR; it was taken to AFD with a consensus to stub with fire. The present new article is a stub + complete rewrite on the methodology based on reliable sources after which the AFD consensus was to keep the rewrite. So in a way it's created and expanded. For reference the version taken to AFD is here. FT2 (Talk | email) 15:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC))
Articles created/expanded on March 4
Coenurosis
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Created by Kbechelli (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Chromatin immunoprecipitation
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- Comment: Chromatin immunoprecipitation became a redirect to Immunoprecipitation in 2008. Shengliu started the article Chromatin Immunoprecipitation, apparently a first article by a rookie wikipedian, on March 4th. I merged the two histories together a few days ago, and am still in the process of cleaning up the merged article. I might continue on Thursday or Friday. Please feel free to beat me to this. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Created by Shengliu (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 23:55, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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Lion class battlecruiser
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- Hook's at 215. Not sure how to shorten it, except use something generic like "ships" to cover the targets, removing most of interesting aspects of the hook. Everything else checks out though.radek (talk) 04:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Best I can come up with now is "that the British battlecruiser HMS Lion fired seven torpedoes at the German battleships, the battlecruiser Derfflinger and the light cruiser Wiesbaden, during the Battle of Jutland without success".radek (talk) 04:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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Mayor of Manukau
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Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 11:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The Black Forest Clinic
- ... that the 1980s German television series The Black Forest Clinic was so popular that it was once dubbed "the epitome of German television bliss"? Created by Big Bird (talk). Self nom at 14:54, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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Anna de' Medici
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- Hmmm, maybe it should be "placing it between her "two darling, beautiful breasts"" - that's still under 200 and a bit more colorful ;). Also, an inline citation is needed at the end of the "Life" section and at the end of the "Marriage" section.radek (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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Beating Heart Cadaver
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- Why is Beating Heart Cadaver capitalized in the hook and in the title, but not in the body of the article?--Carabinieri (talk) 05:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I am fairly new- what is wikipedia policy on capilalization? I would think that this should not be capitalized, and would just change the hook to be not capitalized. But, does the article need to be moved or can it keep it's capitalized title? E2eamon (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on March 3
Alf (barque)
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Bang (The Good Wife)
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- Comment: Hook needs to be modified to point to the correct article. --Mcorazao (talk) 22:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
- Whoops! Fixed. - Hunter Kahn 06:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Verified. Also did a slight grammar fix. Jujutacular T · C 09:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Rudy La Scala
- ... that singer-songwriter Rudy La Scala began his musical career with a band named Las Explosiones de Goma? Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 23:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 22:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: that singer-songwriter Rudy La Scala had the best-performing Latin single of 1990 in the United States?
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- This article is based primarily on the subject's own website.--Carabinieri (talk) 04:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- That is the reason I did the ALT version of the hook. The ALT is based in the Billboard Year-end charts of 1990.Jaespinoza (talk) 06:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not concerned about the reliability of the hook, but about the article not satisfying DYK standards, because it's not based on third-party sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
- This article has been really hard to do. I didn't find any source about the singer-songwriter (Billboard, Allmusic, Google Books). The main reason to do the article is that he had two number-one songs in the Top Latin Songs chart, and I want to take that list to FL status. Any sugestions?. Jaespinoza (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
William Milman
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Though this is an eye-catching hook it seems misleading from the article and the reference. --Mcorazao (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see evidence for Milman wanted to wear that. Materialscientist (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- If he went into a shop to order an MB waistcoat, then presumably he wanted to wear it. Seems he was an interesting person for all sorts of reasons which is why I put him forward. I'm not concerned about what happens to any nominations once I've submitted them, so over to you. The last eye-catching hook I did got 8600 hits - the generally boring straightforward ones have averaged about 600. Motmit (talk) 12:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sure, but I would go for an eye catching fact, "presumably he wanted to wear it" is guessing. Materialscientist (talk) 09:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
History of vice in Texas
- ... that when law enforcement officials cracked down on vice in Texas during the 1940s and 1950s, some of Texas' most notorious crime figures moved to Las Vegas to help establish major casinos such as the Sands Hotel? Created by Mcorazao (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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I've been trying to verify the hook, but without success. From online sources cited in the article, I can verify that two Texans who were involved in gambling ended up in Las Vegas (Jake/Jakie Freedman was an owner of the Sands, although in one place is described as its front man[9][10] and casino owner Benny Binion was a "Texas outlaw" who was proud of his police record and served time in Texas prison after establishing a Las Vegas casino[11] [12]). (Some other sources aren't available online.) However, I can't find an indication -- in either the article or the sources -- that these were "some of Texas' most notorious crime figures" or that they moved to Las Vegas after a crackdown on vice in Texas. I like the hook, but I'm wondering if we need alternate wording or a different hook altogether. --Orlady (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- "There was a crackdown on Texas gambling after the war. There had been twenty-seven casinos in the Dallas area during the war." -Thompson (2001), p. 21.[13]
- "... Wilson won the position of attorney general in 1956. Wilson looked upon gambling in Galveston as the symbol of vice in Texas ... Wilson ... swooped onto the island in June 1957 and closed forty-seven clubs ..." - McComb (2008), p. 33.
- "the state watched a 1951 grand jury investigation [in fort Worth] ... The jury indicted more than 16 gamblers ... Eventually ... gamblers found it easier to go to Las Vegas where gambling was legal ..." - McComb (2008), p. 33-34.
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- Gatewood, Jim (2002). Benny Binion: The legend of Benny Binion, Dallas gambler and mob boss.
- "Benny ... opened a casino game at the Southland Hotel, and ... established a leadership role in the Dallas numbers game.
... some felt they could stay [in Dallas] and try to it ride out [the crackdowns] ... Binion did not. He packed up his family in 1946 and went to Las Vegas." - Thompson (2001), p. 21.[14]
- On the Maceos
- "Galveston, under the influence of Sam and Rosario (Rose) Maceo, exploited the prohibition of liquor and gambling by offering illegal drinks and betting in nightclubs and saloons. -Handbook of Texas: Galveston, TX[15]
- "Rosario "Rose" and Sam Maceo surfaced as the underworld leaders in Galveston." - McComb (2008), p. 33.
- "...total income from Maceo operations was $3,329,000 in 1948, $3,433,000 in 1949, and $3,835,000 in 1950." - McComb (1986), p. 185.[16]
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- "By the 1930s, Jakie Freedman's was the place for the young to go in the spirit of adventure. ... This was a very handsome, very expensive, and very illegal gambling casino." - Johnston (1991), p. 323[17]
- "The prince of Houston's gambling is Little Jakie Freedman, ..." - Fuermann, George (1951), p. 166.
- "Jakie Freedman ... owned a large piece of The Sands in Las Vegas." - Miami News (1958)[18]
- "Gala Sands Opening Tonight Greeting the thousands of well-wishers, principal owner Jake Freedman ..." - Las Vegas Sun (1952)[19]
- Anyway, I can go on. I think you should focus on the ALT version, BTW. I took out the "moved to Las Vegas" since that could be interpreted as actually setting up residence in Vegas which was not true of the Maceos. As far as "some of Texas' most notorious" unfortunately there is no simple list of Texas top crime figures of that era that I know of. But I believe their notoriety and significance in Texas' vice is more than established.
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Revolution 1 (Take 20)
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Israeli art student scam
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- Why are the lead and body of the article about apparently very different subjects? Ucucha 08:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: This article was previously deleted on 1 March 2010. See here. --Bruce1eetalk 08:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The 1 March deletion was an inappropriate speedy delete, so it should not be a reason to reject this DYK. It is unlikely that such a delete will occur again, since I asked several admins whether it was an appropriate application of CSD#G4 and they agreed it was not and offered to restore. You can read more about the issue here. Factsontheground (talk) 11:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have created an afd for it.--Peter cohen (talk) 13:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on March 2
Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention, 1989
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Hook too long at >220 characters. Also, I think the hooks provides insufficient context to make it clear what you're talking about. Ucucha 14:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I think spelling out the name of the organization improves the hook substantially, since most people are not going to know what "ILO" stands for. You need to expand a bare URL reference into a proper citation (ref. 8), and I am not sure the long quote from the preamble is really appropriate. Ucucha 04:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Dusios
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is the hook line in the lead from the same source as the sentence following it? If so, can you repeat the citation on this sentence for DYK?Thelmadatter (talk) 18:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- As this article's creator, I'm not sure it's ready for a DYK. Some good questions have been raised about the introductory section that I'm in the process of addressing. I'll post back here when I feel the intro has been rewritten to withstand scrutiny. Thanks. Cynwolfe (talk) 00:23, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- The lead could be clearer but I dont think it needs a whole lot of work. I think we can continue to consider it for DYK while Cynwolf works on it.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Edward Woolsey Bacon
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Length, references and dates checked and look good. But, I wanted to bring up that the hook makes his leadership of black soldiers sound heroic while the article...not so much. The article points out that he was probably pushed into the military leadership of colored troops by his father and that his own attitude was 'patronizing'. That term brings a negative connotation for me. I was hoping to get another opinion from other editors as I am a newbie at DYN verification... Sabiona (talk) 16:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on March 1
Whitney Avenue Historic District

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The hook fact is not supported by the article text. The article indicates that there are 1084 contributing buildings in the district and it says that the district includes "locally outstanding examples of Queen Anne, Shingle, Colonial Revival, Tudor Revival, and other styles", but it nowhere indicates that there are over 1000 buildings with Queen Anne, Shingle, Colonial Revival, and Tudor Revival architecture -- and, in fact, this seems unlikely to be the case.
Additionally, the entire article is very rough. It appears that an attempt has been made to insert reference links using {{rp}}, but the template has not been used properly so it is not clear that these are reference citations. Many parts of the article appear to be only half-written. For example, the statement in the lead that says "there were a total of 1113 buildings in 19xx" causes me to think that I am reading an outline for an article, and not an actual article. The article section called "Apartments" that contains only the single sentence "There are apartment buildings in the district.:5" looks like someone started to write something, but forgot to finish it. I don't know what to make of the "Institutional buildings" section, which consists of the sentence "There are ten churches in the district, four of which are contributing," followed by a colon and a list that contains just two items, neither one of which is a church. There are several parenthetical references to photos that do not appear anywhere near the text that calls them out -- and at least one of which isn't even in the article. Much needs to be improved before this article is ready to be featured in the DYK section of the main page. --Orlady (talk) 19:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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- PS - I looked at the main source for the article (the National Register nomination form), and it definitely doesn't support the hook fact. The source indicates that a large number of buildings in the district are of "other" architectural styles. --Orlady (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Article has been further developed, addressing some but probably not all of Orlady's complaints. I think there's been creep in standards for DYK articles over time, but not everything in a new article needs to be highly polished already. Could someone else review the following alternative hook?
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- Do we have any standards about the serial comma at DYK, or is it basically "whichever the writer uses is okay", like elsewhere at Wikipedia? Nyttend (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I have no idea what you are referring to. --doncram (talk) 03:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- See serial comma. I'm asking whether we require a comma after "Colonial Revival" at DYK, or if we accept either with-comma or without-comma like we generally do elsewhere on Wikipedia. Nyttend (talk) 06:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Although I personally prefer the use of the serial comma, I think DYK should accept with- or without-comma hooks just like the rest of Wikipedia. (On the other hand, the argument for doing one or the other consistently on DYK is that the MOS says that each article should be consistent within itself - extending that would suggest that perhaps DYK should be consistent within itself.) cmadler (talk) 13:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Harold Pogue and Perry Graves
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Length and date are fine, but how does this hook fit in with the source mentioning All-Americans as early as 1901? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The Illinois All-Americans prior to 1914 were not "first-team" All-Americans. (The key at the bottom of the source shows that the -2 or -3 next to all of the pre-1914 designations means they were second or third team selections. In 1914, Pogue and Grave each received at least one "first-team" recogniction. That was the first year in which any Illinois players received the honor. This was stated in the articles, but not clear in the hook. I've now added "first-team" to the hook. Cbl62 (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't the source say that Ralph Chapman and Perry Graves, but not Harold Pogue, were first-team All-Americans? Ucucha 14:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The source here shows that all three (Pogue, Graves and Chapman) were chosen by one or more selectors as first-team All-Americans in 1914. I did not include Chapman because the expansion of the Chapman article was not 5-fold. If you want to add Chapman to the hook, but not put him in bold, that might solve the issue? Cbl62 (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I understood that the asterisk indicates that a player is selected as a first team All-American, and Pogue doesn't have an asterisk. Ucucha 14:47, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- The asterisk indicates that a player was a "consensus" first-team All-American, but the source does show that Pogue was designated as a first-team All-American by two of the selectors -- "MD" = Michigan Daily and "PG" = Pittsburgh Gazette. Chapman received more first-team designations than the other two, but there was not enough material that I could find to prepare a sufficiently long article to qualify for DYK. Rather than ignoring Chapman, how about dropping the "lumbermen" point (which was an odd coincidence involving Pogue and Graves, but not terribly interesting) and going with the following alt hook:
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Ah, you're right-my usual ignorance of all things sports showing. Ucucha 15:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
List of New York Legislature members expelled or censured
- I notice Schermerhorn was never actually censured, in which case I don't think he should be in the list. Gatoclass (talk) 14:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done. Okay. I removed that entry. Cirt (talk) 16:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Verified Hook and article look great. J Milburn (talk) 14:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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As I said to Cirt, I have some concerns about promoting an article emphasizing negative facts about BLP's like this to the mainpage. Gatoclass (talk) 15:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
- Alternate hook, proposed. This hook is about a fact regarding a person that died in 1785 - which is over 200 years ago. Cirt (talk) 22:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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- My concern was not just about the hook, but about the article. Gatoclass (talk) 07:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
- Most of the article concerns facts about history from over 100 years ago. The article itself and its topic is indeed quite notable and encyclopedic. I suggested an alternate hook that deals with an issue from over 200 years ago. Cirt (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Did_you_know#DYK_rules says that articles that focus unduly about negative aspects of living people should be avoided, but it doesn't prohibit them, and it definitely doesn't prohibit articles that focus duly on the subject and that are primarily about dead individuals. Nyttend (talk) 14:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree with this comment, by Nyttend. The majority of the article focuses on individuals that are not living. Please also see discussion at WT:DYK. Cirt (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Alternate hook, proposed. This one might be a bit more interesting than ALT1 hook. Cirt (talk) 20:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 28
Tiger Raj Singh
- I'm always still against "Here is a fact about somebody/aProduct in the news lately we want to promote" - this being a prime example. It would need a hook, not just a fact, to make it interesting enough for people to click through and read. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 00:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
In addition to the point made by Sherurcij, the article is only 1141 characters and is marked as stub-class. Also, I'm dubious that he meets WP:N. cmadler (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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- If you resolve the Nobility issue the article is now 1500+ characters -- Esemono (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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The AFD seems to be leaning to "keep", but I copyedited the article and it is now under 1500 b. Ucucha 13:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Article has now been expanded to above 1500+ characters even discounting the quote. -- Esemono (talk) 14:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Good to go when the AfD's handled. It'd have to be closed early, as in today though. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
List of number-one albums of 2008 (México)
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The list-article has just over 1500 bytes, so it qualifies for DYK in that regard. Not sure if the chosen fact is actually backed by the reference (I don't speak Spanish, but the Google translation is: "Significantly, it is the first time in more than 20 editions of MTV Unplugged, which takes place outside the United States.") However, it is almost certainly false... List of artists featured on MTV Unplugged shows several earlier Unplugged albums that were recorded in Europe. As such, some clarification is necessary. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the 79th studio album by Vicente Fernández spent 14 non-consecutive weeks at number-one on the Mexican charts? -- Esemono (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Source [20] does not support this claim. cmadler (talk) 13:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Articles created/expanded for Saint Patrick's Day (March 17)
MUZU TV
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While this does check out in all regards, "is seen as" strikes me as a bit weasel-wordy. Care to suggest a different hook for this article, or a rewording of this one? cmadler (talk) 12:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Pat Fanning
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- "Last weekend" works on the 17th. --candle-wicke 02:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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This one is a little too short (1486 characters). Since the "Outer life" and "Honours" sections consist of only very short paragraphs, the article looks even shorter. Is there any chance of adding a bit more information? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Also, it's classified as a stub. cmadler (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded for March 21
Gí¤chinger Kantorei
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- suggesting to post it on the composer's 325th birthday, still celebrated ("Old Style Date") 21 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
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The first is for Gí¤chinger Kantorei which appears to check out on references, dates, and length but has a few paragraphs with no references at all. The second is for Bach-Collegium Stuttgart, a stub of just 1099 characters of prose. - Dravecky (talk) 23:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I added a few references to Gí¤chinger Kantorei. Please be specific as to what else should be referenced. Requiem of Reconciliation or Die beiden Neffen - I thought the respective articles are reference enough. I could list many more festivals according to the Oregon reference. I might also refer to reviews such as [21], quote: "Helmut Rilling's Bach still has not received the acclaim it surely deserves, particularly from the critical community in English-speaking countries. The reasons are not hard to fathom: he hasn't toured or conducted frequently outside of Germany (aside from the Oregon Bach Festival, one of America's best kept musical secrets), and his work competes directly with the many authentic instrument groups in the U.K. and France, and so faces an uphill battle against some pretty entrenched musical interests. But there's no question in my mind that he is one of our great Bach conductors, and this new recording of the B minor Mass bears this out." As to Bach-Collegium: I would have preferred to treat the two ensembles in one article, as Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir, but the (many) red links had them separate. Should I really repeat more of the choir information in the orchestra article. (I don't like redundancy.) Thanks for your interest! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Gerda, I'm glad to see you still here and improving our English-language coverage of German music(ians)! If you think the Bach-Collegium Stuttgart would be best addressed within the Gí¤chinger Kantorei article (which makes sense, given the close relationship), merge it in as a section of its own, and then make Bach-Collegium Stuttgart a redirect to that section. That way the links will point to the correct portion of the article. If you want to go this route and need help, drop me a line on my talk page. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Thanks for this sensible suggestion. I looked at it but found it tricky to include the orchestra as a separate entity into the Kantorei (btw: any good English term for that kind of a choir?) because even after the orchestra was founded the Kantorei did many programs with other orchestras. Therefore I suggest
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- Sorry, I don't know a simple English term for that. The best I could do would be to call it a "professional mixed choir primarily performing sacred music" -- a description, not a term. cmadler (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Hoping not to disappoint you: it does not mean professional. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Semi-professional? (Meaning, either paid, but at a low level, probably not the participants' primary job, or sometimes meaning unpaid but consisting of members who are mostly professionals in that field, such as an orchestra made up of university instructors.) cmadler (talk) 18:43, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Yes, sort of. See (new) ref 5, all quote: "They're very musical. ... They have a distinct sound - that is, less vibrato than you have in other choirs. Their dexterity, their musicianship, their sensitivity is first-rate. Having worked with Rilling over many, many years, they have an expressiveness and an understanding of interpretation, particularity of Bach repertory, that really is wonderful." - Saltzman's not the only one singing the choir's praises. It's abilities are readily apparent to anyone - especially to critics - who has listened to Rilling's recordings. Together with their orchestral partner, the Bach Collegium, they have recorded all of Bach's cantatas and passions - some 200 in all - on CD. ... They have also sung many world and European first performances including "Litany" by Arvo Part, and "Requiem Versohnung" and "Deus Passus" by Wolfgang Rihm. ... Yet, for all its visibility - the choir sings 60 to 70 concerts a year - Rilling points out it "is not a professional chorus in the way that they would make their living from that. They are getting paid expenses and hotels and so on, but they are not really paid people. It is a challenge for them to be in that chorus." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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ALT2, suggest holding this for March 21 anniversary. Struck through other hook proposals so they aren't accidentally selected. Added "first complete" to ALT2, as that's the really remarkable part. cmadler (talk) 14:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Moved to holding area for 3/21. cmadler (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191
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- Umm, that is extremely common and extends back to the earliest period of Christianity. --Eusebeus (talk) 22:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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- The fact about the early Christians having used that symbol is true, but to mention it also in the hook would make it too long, right? Also it is not part of this article, the first one about a Bach cantata with the new format for the article name, adding the number to the German (or, as in this one and only case, Latin) title. - I doubt, by the way, that the hook fact is so commonly known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- But You'd have to cit this fact in the main article. -- Esemono (talk) 11:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- We could use this [22] stating that there is A Latin cantata "... no surprise that there is a generous collection of Latin church music in the Bach treasury, including two versions of the Magnificat, four Lutheran Masses (five if you include the Missa* BWV 232), a Latin texted Cantata (BWV 191) and for many the ultimate Bach work, his Mass in B minor ..." - but I personally don't like the wording that Bach "shamelessly" reworked, in there. Or this [23] (click on "full text") - but that's liner notes which my esteemed co-writer doesn't approve ... - Or you just look at the complete list and see the one Latin among all the Germans and two Italian ones (203 & 209). Proposing therefore (also because "cantata" is a rather poor article I would not like to link to, - a more specific "Bach cantata" in preparation):
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that Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191, a sacred cantata of Johann Sebastian Bach, is the only one of his cantatas set to a Latin text? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- I also found one more, and this review states it also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thinking further: "sacred", "Latin" - quite heavy stuff for main page, and redundant, - assuming that many people might know that "Gloria in excelsis Deo" is both. Also it's not so interesting that Bach wrote only this one cantata in Latin (reworking what he had written in Latin before), but surprising that he wrote one in Latin at all. So I suggest to return to the original hook or perhaps
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- Length and article creation are fine, and ALT4 is a good hook, except that I can't find that fact cited (or even explicitly stated) in the article. Please add it in, with a citation, and this will be ready to go. cmadler (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- I added a sentence and a citation for the "only Latin" (mentioned here before, the liner notes). "200 sacred cantatas" is such a trivia knowledge (s. [24] or compare Johann Sebastian Bach#Works, Vocal and choral works) that I hopefully don't have to cite that also, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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Approve, and move to holding area for 3/21 (JS Bach's 325th birthday). cmadler (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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- Struck out earlier proposed hooks, ALT4 should be used. cmadler (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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